It seems Peter L has become a raging asshole. Evidently he is a big bad cyber stalker now.
Why don't you people grow the fuck up and just delete his emails and comments and stop complaining about it?
Instead there is wholesale blog destruction and flouncing.
Everyone involved is all about the drama.
Alleged stalker and alleged victims alike.
Get a grip already and just press delete.
One person in particular is trying to whitewash her early interactions with Peter L. Never mind that Redstocking Grandma threatened to have Peter L thrown in a mental ward using her power as a licensed health care provider.
Just to remind you that she isn't as lily white pure as she is trying to come off as she dances her victory dance over Peter L all over blogs here today and to match her old unearthed post, here is a link to a post that tells the real story.
Originally tossed up on 16 December 2008, it garnered 27 thumbs and multiple requests for Censoring Cunt Ratfink t-shirts which skeptic turtle has available for purchase on his zazzle account with all proceeds going to charity.
A Tempest in the OS Echo Chamber with Gratuitous Nudity
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when the asshole is free to send threatening and obscene and harassing emails to you it's a litle difficult to just ignore pal. you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
It is just like spam.
You're equally free to delete them, fucktard.
You're equally free to delete them, fucktard.
BBE, i've no idea who the fuck you are but you go right to the top of the list of raging assholes. what a ballsy little fucktard YOU are with your funny mask. talk about a flouncer. why don't you just email peter a message of support you little bitchfuck.
No comments from me. It's off taste. The stalker is crude.
Besides, Mickey Mouse doesn't deserve this mockery. No.
M. M. says it sounds like just one stalker, but in fact @ 2?
If it's really two,
shame on you.
Now, take those
cute MM ears off?
Grow some ears!
Besides, Mickey Mouse doesn't deserve this mockery. No.
M. M. says it sounds like just one stalker, but in fact @ 2?
If it's really two,
shame on you.
Now, take those
cute MM ears off?
Grow some ears!
How about that drama!
I've heard that the carpenter was accusing barricade and others of being Lagios. Typical he would add me to his growing list.
Keep beating your breasts and gnashing your teeth. Maybe you can even eek out some crocodile tears.
I've heard that the carpenter was accusing barricade and others of being Lagios. Typical he would add me to his growing list.
Keep beating your breasts and gnashing your teeth. Maybe you can even eek out some crocodile tears.
SPAM doesn't kill people BBE. Internet Stalkers have been known to.
Your equations to SPAM is as ridiculous as this retort. If you don't like mine or anyone else's response to Peter's erratic behavior, then you have a right to pass it over as well.
Women being threatened sexually by a man in very vivid language, is frightening. I would diminish it if I were you.
Just trying to stay calm.
Your equations to SPAM is as ridiculous as this retort. If you don't like mine or anyone else's response to Peter's erratic behavior, then you have a right to pass it over as well.
Women being threatened sexually by a man in very vivid language, is frightening. I would diminish it if I were you.
Just trying to stay calm.
The human crocodile sows a few tears while it eats prey.
The human crocodile creep will shed tears. But, still stalks.
Are you a blind dog who chews on crap and barf it up again?
The scrounge stray mongrel who gnaws on a bone with lips?
The creep who chews on a bone with ill-deranged appetites?
But, all the while the splintered bone sever Ya lip and mouth.
Blood you do taste? Your own blood dripping from yourself.
Your wrong to defend aberrations of sheer perversions. Yes.
The human crocodile creep will shed tears. But, still stalks.
Are you a blind dog who chews on crap and barf it up again?
The scrounge stray mongrel who gnaws on a bone with lips?
The creep who chews on a bone with ill-deranged appetites?
But, all the while the splintered bone sever Ya lip and mouth.
Blood you do taste? Your own blood dripping from yourself.
Your wrong to defend aberrations of sheer perversions. Yes.
And have I commented on your posts?
No, I have not.
But you come over here and get all sorts of belligerent.
I have not labeled Lagios a cyber stalker - you have. You are the one insinuating Lagios could murder. Not me. High drama that.
Lagios is a fly speck of spam. If you don't want to engage, ignore him. He will go away.
No, I have not.
But you come over here and get all sorts of belligerent.
I have not labeled Lagios a cyber stalker - you have. You are the one insinuating Lagios could murder. Not me. High drama that.
Lagios is a fly speck of spam. If you don't want to engage, ignore him. He will go away.
But instead you cry, cry, cry and write horrible verse. Such drama.
BBE, i was mistaken about barricade as peter, but it doesn't really matter as he's a similar kind of creep. and i haven't added you to the list of stalkers fucktard, just the list of punk bitch enablers and apologists for them. your take on this obviously is that it's always the victim's fault; "she shouldn't have been dressed like that" or "she should have just deleted his messages." she's been deleting his messages for 2 months and he hasn't stopped fucking with her. you are without doubt the stupidest sorriest motherfucker i've run into in this joint.
and i need to ask, BBE, what's under the mask? are you a dickhead or a cuntface? maybe both? either take off the mask or just blow me you fuckstain.
and i need to ask, BBE, what's under the mask? are you a dickhead or a cuntface? maybe both? either take off the mask or just blow me you fuckstain.
I really don't know enough about all this to comment, but since that has never stopped me before...
Witness exhibit A for why I do not post my photo nor do I post via my real name(s). But consider the high profile of the writers on "big" Salon--I'm sure they see their fair share of freak mail--they handle it. I, personally, favor posting all offensive emails on line. If this humiliation doesn't freeze out the offender, then there are a few other methods to try, I suppose--I definitely do not advocate ignoring the poor fool.
However, until things change--and I am not suggesting that anything should change around here--bloggers should be mindful of the public nature of this forum. People are mostly quite "nice," but still freaks abound--just like the "real" world. Just visit your local mall for confirmation.
Witness exhibit A for why I do not post my photo nor do I post via my real name(s). But consider the high profile of the writers on "big" Salon--I'm sure they see their fair share of freak mail--they handle it. I, personally, favor posting all offensive emails on line. If this humiliation doesn't freeze out the offender, then there are a few other methods to try, I suppose--I definitely do not advocate ignoring the poor fool.
However, until things change--and I am not suggesting that anything should change around here--bloggers should be mindful of the public nature of this forum. People are mostly quite "nice," but still freaks abound--just like the "real" world. Just visit your local mall for confirmation.
hmmmm.
Why pry for details about me, carpenter?
Are you - (gasp!) - a "cyber stalker" gathering information?
Are you - (gasp!) - a "cyber stalker" gathering information?
It seems superfluous to comment further, but I will. Guess I'm looking for something to do. People like Peter Lagios are creepy and scary for some women, who can press delete, but that's not a remedy to Lagios's bad behavior; and it doesn't delete their fear, or the concerns they have. It is nothing like spam.
You are a big, strong guy BBE - and you may have nothing to fear; yet you lurk behind an amulet; an icon that hides some portion of your truth. It might be well to give some consideration to the fact that you are passing judgment on emotions you don't even have to feel; and that if someone says they are freaked out, they might have an honest concern, even if it's only in their imagination. That's where we live, much of the time; and it's not over rated. If we can honor imagination for all it's good qualities, then we can also respect it's aberrations. It may seem paranormal to you, but to a woman, especially a woman who has been abused by anyone (and what woman hasn't?) it can be very real and disturbing.
People who behave like Peter Lagios should not be tolerated for too long. If they don't come to their senses and change their tactics, they should be excommunicated. If they persist further, they should be referred to the authorities, who have facilities for people like that.
You are a big, strong guy BBE - and you may have nothing to fear; yet you lurk behind an amulet; an icon that hides some portion of your truth. It might be well to give some consideration to the fact that you are passing judgment on emotions you don't even have to feel; and that if someone says they are freaked out, they might have an honest concern, even if it's only in their imagination. That's where we live, much of the time; and it's not over rated. If we can honor imagination for all it's good qualities, then we can also respect it's aberrations. It may seem paranormal to you, but to a woman, especially a woman who has been abused by anyone (and what woman hasn't?) it can be very real and disturbing.
People who behave like Peter Lagios should not be tolerated for too long. If they don't come to their senses and change their tactics, they should be excommunicated. If they persist further, they should be referred to the authorities, who have facilities for people like that.
Is the carpenter's demand that I blow him a form of sexual cyber stalking?
Should I report him to the editors?
Should I stamp my foot and demand he be banned?
Drama!
Should I report him to the editors?
Should I stamp my foot and demand he be banned?
Drama!
BBE,
great answer fucknuts. what a master of witty repartee you are.
great answer fucknuts. what a master of witty repartee you are.
anyway, since you seem unwilling or incapable of actually talking about any of the points i raised i'm done commenting. have a good time in here flouncing to yourself you precious little fella.
same-o, same-o, same-o, all the way home.
You accuse Lagios of writing sexual threats that you equate to cyber stalking. You wrote a sexual threat. By your own standard, you are a budding cyber stalker. Nothing witty about it. Just logic.
And as far as dynomite's thoughtful comment goes, are you proposing a double standard that coddles women? Are the women of OS so weak that they need to be sheltered from the realities of the internet?
There are always going to be assholes who are going to say shit. Like the carpenter demanding a blow job or just now insinuating I'm a faggot. Precious little fella? Homophobe much? Sticks and stones.
And as far as dynomite's thoughtful comment goes, are you proposing a double standard that coddles women? Are the women of OS so weak that they need to be sheltered from the realities of the internet?
There are always going to be assholes who are going to say shit. Like the carpenter demanding a blow job or just now insinuating I'm a faggot. Precious little fella? Homophobe much? Sticks and stones.
ghost writer is correct. I bet a c-note Joan Walsh is sexually molested verbally weekly if not daily by multiple assholes. But you don't see her running away.
What he is doing is the crime of harassment in the state in which he lives. The problem is that it is virtually impossible to prosecute that crime when the victim lives in another country.
It is irrelevant what the lady in question did or did not do. After she's asked the fellow not to contact her and he continues to do so that is harassment. It's a violation of the Terms of Service for Open Salon:
"You will not use Service or the Site in any illegal manner or for any illegal purpose."
"You will not harrass or intimidate any other user of the Service or the Site.
BBE: "Why don't you people grow the fuck up and just delete his emails and comments and stop complaining about it? "
Peter did not have to sign up on Open Salon. He chose to sign up. In making that choice he agreed to the Terms of Service.
Do you understand what it means to have Terms of Service, and to agree to those terms? Do you understand that he has already been found to have violated those terms, and that he continues to violate them?
When someone continues to violate the Term of Service, the appropriate action is not to delete his messages and comments but to delete his account, which is what OS has been doing and what many have encouraged them to do.
Why you have decided to attack the victim and then cry over some guy who can't even maintain the minimum standard of behavior that he agreed to is beyond me.
It is irrelevant what the lady in question did or did not do. After she's asked the fellow not to contact her and he continues to do so that is harassment. It's a violation of the Terms of Service for Open Salon:
"You will not use Service or the Site in any illegal manner or for any illegal purpose."
"You will not harrass or intimidate any other user of the Service or the Site.
BBE: "Why don't you people grow the fuck up and just delete his emails and comments and stop complaining about it? "
Peter did not have to sign up on Open Salon. He chose to sign up. In making that choice he agreed to the Terms of Service.
Do you understand what it means to have Terms of Service, and to agree to those terms? Do you understand that he has already been found to have violated those terms, and that he continues to violate them?
When someone continues to violate the Term of Service, the appropriate action is not to delete his messages and comments but to delete his account, which is what OS has been doing and what many have encouraged them to do.
Why you have decided to attack the victim and then cry over some guy who can't even maintain the minimum standard of behavior that he agreed to is beyond me.
I missed this situation with Peter Lagios, so I probably have no right to comment on anything, but I'd like your further explanation, BBE. I can always find the truth in what you say but I think I'm missing it here. If it's possible for a cyberstalker to learn our location through our computer's IP address, wouldn't that mean that any crazyflake could locate anyone?
I want to believe that malicious or inappropriate comments are merely words that can be deleted but if they can't, then the situation could truly become dangerous.
I want to believe that malicious or inappropriate comments are merely words that can be deleted but if they can't, then the situation could truly become dangerous.
Community Scold, are you sure it is a crime in his home state? Can you link to the appropriate statute?
Either way, if you have a problem with another user or think they are violating the TOS, report him and move on. If the editors deem it a TOS violation they will delete his account. If he pops up again, they will delete him again. Instead it is drama, drama, drama.
Either way, if you have a problem with another user or think they are violating the TOS, report him and move on. If the editors deem it a TOS violation they will delete his account. If he pops up again, they will delete him again. Instead it is drama, drama, drama.
Quaker Girl... I will send you an email. Can't expose too much information here or I might get cyber stalked. Suffice that I know more about this involuntarily than I would like to.
My thoughtful comment is not meant to coddle women, but to introduce some common sense in what seems to me to be drama drama drama initiated by you, BBE. This particular post seems out of character, despite your reputation for "being BBE..." Women don't need to be coddled;l but they do need to be respected.
BBE writes: "Can you link to the appropriate statute?"
Last I knew he lives in Iowa:
708.7 Harassment.
1. a. A person commits harassment when, with intent to intimidate, annoy, or alarm another person, the person does any of the following:
(1) Communicates with another by telephone, telegraph, writing, or via electronic communication without legitimate purpose and in a manner likely to cause the other person annoyance or harm.
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/IACODE/2001/708/7.html
Last I knew he lives in Iowa:
708.7 Harassment.
1. a. A person commits harassment when, with intent to intimidate, annoy, or alarm another person, the person does any of the following:
(1) Communicates with another by telephone, telegraph, writing, or via electronic communication without legitimate purpose and in a manner likely to cause the other person annoyance or harm.
http://www.legis.state.ia.us/IACODE/2001/708/7.html
Well, now, threats, continued threats and stalking are pretty intimidating. Joan Walsh is a public figure, and one presumes has some way to deal with these situations, but my guess is, as with any stalker, if it got really bad, and they threatened her home or her family or herself and made the threats look credible enough, she'd be sending such missives/threats to the police/FBI or wherever.
I can't agree with you on this one. It isn't just about DRAMA. It's about someone stalking/threatening another person. Erasing a message when someone knows where you live ... not very effective against the realization that this nut has singled you out and knows where you live.
The same thing could happen to a man, and I'd feel the same way.
I believe OS needs a stronger editing service against this. Perhaps a blocking feature? Also, such actions should be reported and logged and recorded for future reference. That would help a bit.
So, normally, I too see truth to things you say, but this time, not so much. If someone pinpointed where I lived, along with my address and threatened me and my family, no amount of deleting would stop me from being frightened and feeling threatened. If someone consistently stalked me, I'd fight back, but I'd have to keep the Kid in mind here and probably end up removing posts and leaving, to protect her and possibly even moving from my home to protect her. Really. I never post a full picture of her face, for instance. Or a full picture of mine. But I have an IP address. I'm not sure how much I could do about that.
I can't agree with you on this one. It isn't just about DRAMA. It's about someone stalking/threatening another person. Erasing a message when someone knows where you live ... not very effective against the realization that this nut has singled you out and knows where you live.
The same thing could happen to a man, and I'd feel the same way.
I believe OS needs a stronger editing service against this. Perhaps a blocking feature? Also, such actions should be reported and logged and recorded for future reference. That would help a bit.
So, normally, I too see truth to things you say, but this time, not so much. If someone pinpointed where I lived, along with my address and threatened me and my family, no amount of deleting would stop me from being frightened and feeling threatened. If someone consistently stalked me, I'd fight back, but I'd have to keep the Kid in mind here and probably end up removing posts and leaving, to protect her and possibly even moving from my home to protect her. Really. I never post a full picture of her face, for instance. Or a full picture of mine. But I have an IP address. I'm not sure how much I could do about that.
If you were replying to me, no you have not engaged my blogs. I wouldn't have said anything here if I didn't feel it was very important and I tried to be respectful. I DO imply that a person "like" Peter can be very dangerous. Trust me, I know it to be true. To himself and others. He is NOT a speck of spam, he is a troubled human-being.
I will engage with him anytime. I would try and reason with him, but I fear that's not possible.
I'm just saying don't belittle other people's fears. You have no fears as no one knows who YOU are...Does that make any sense?
It surely should.
I will engage with him anytime. I would try and reason with him, but I fear that's not possible.
I'm just saying don't belittle other people's fears. You have no fears as no one knows who YOU are...Does that make any sense?
It surely should.
"slice himself" is a pretty ridiculous use of wordage. There is no point in wishing someone to hurt themselves--metaphorically speaking or no.
Keep it clean--use profanity.
Keep it clean--use profanity.
Come for the headlines, stay for the nudity.
Heh, I watched the Youtube video he posted, he put you over the coals. He seems to not like you very much.
I just got depressed that the freak said he was Greek.
Heh, I watched the Youtube video he posted, he put you over the coals. He seems to not like you very much.
I just got depressed that the freak said he was Greek.
BBE, a little common sense please:
"And as far as dynomite's thoughtful comment goes, are you proposing a double standard that coddles women? Are the women of OS so weak that they need to be sheltered from the realities of the internet?"
YES, there should be double standards since 99% of rapes happen to women. Also, man on woman crimes are MUCH higher than vice-versa. I highly doubt any of the women on here would find mine, Dynomite's or Nan's remarks as sexist.
C'mon, common sense. You read the paper. You watch the local news. I know news has become bullshit, but the carnage is not fake.
"And as far as dynomite's thoughtful comment goes, are you proposing a double standard that coddles women? Are the women of OS so weak that they need to be sheltered from the realities of the internet?"
YES, there should be double standards since 99% of rapes happen to women. Also, man on woman crimes are MUCH higher than vice-versa. I highly doubt any of the women on here would find mine, Dynomite's or Nan's remarks as sexist.
C'mon, common sense. You read the paper. You watch the local news. I know news has become bullshit, but the carnage is not fake.
BBE: "Instead it is drama, drama, drama."
It is a drama caused by Peter.
You may have never known any woman who was stalked or harassed. Years ago my wife was stalked and harassed by one of her clients. It got to the point where the mere sound of his voice on the answering machine made both of us feel sick. Yes, you can throw away the letters and delete the phone messages and emails, but as the months go on and on and you find yourself in the midst of this continual unending river of shit, it wears away at you.
It's the feeling of being targeted, of never knowing when the person is going to pop up again, of there never being an end to it, of never knowing what's going to be in your email or on your phone recorder. You're goddamned right it's drama, but it's a drama caused entirely by some sick fuck who has nothing better to do with his time than to torment someone else for his own sadistic pleasure.
This is what this guy is intentionally doing to one of our members, and there is no excuse for it. I hope you will reconsider your position.
It is a drama caused by Peter.
You may have never known any woman who was stalked or harassed. Years ago my wife was stalked and harassed by one of her clients. It got to the point where the mere sound of his voice on the answering machine made both of us feel sick. Yes, you can throw away the letters and delete the phone messages and emails, but as the months go on and on and you find yourself in the midst of this continual unending river of shit, it wears away at you.
It's the feeling of being targeted, of never knowing when the person is going to pop up again, of there never being an end to it, of never knowing what's going to be in your email or on your phone recorder. You're goddamned right it's drama, but it's a drama caused entirely by some sick fuck who has nothing better to do with his time than to torment someone else for his own sadistic pleasure.
This is what this guy is intentionally doing to one of our members, and there is no excuse for it. I hope you will reconsider your position.
BBE: I have to stand with Greg-Sama on this one. This isn't something to take lightly. Yeah, you can push delete, but when a stalker has private info on you, it can (and has) get very dangerous.
Based on the statute thoughtfully provided by the Community Scold, everyone on OS is guilty of harassment at one time or another, or multiple times as the case might be. The Community Scold harasses poor little precious fella me and so does big bad carpenter. Good thing I'm not afraid of words.
I am sorry your wife picked up a real world stalker, but there is a difference between a jerkwad on the internet and a flesh world stalking threat. Hope you got her a gun and some lessons on how to use it. The cops are pretty useless and a TRO is just a piece of paper.
Damn! I missed his Youtube, Stellaa. I don't mind being raked over the coals. Sticks and stones. Everyone knows you greeks are overwrought and all about the drama. Homer, etc.
Greggy, last I checked women can be just as vicious and vile verbally as men. Are you suggesting that men have to be held to a higher standard verbally than women? There is a big difference between the real world and the online world. In the online world, your size doesn't matter. You seem to be confusing the two.
I am sorry your wife picked up a real world stalker, but there is a difference between a jerkwad on the internet and a flesh world stalking threat. Hope you got her a gun and some lessons on how to use it. The cops are pretty useless and a TRO is just a piece of paper.
Damn! I missed his Youtube, Stellaa. I don't mind being raked over the coals. Sticks and stones. Everyone knows you greeks are overwrought and all about the drama. Homer, etc.
Greggy, last I checked women can be just as vicious and vile verbally as men. Are you suggesting that men have to be held to a higher standard verbally than women? There is a big difference between the real world and the online world. In the online world, your size doesn't matter. You seem to be confusing the two.
I am not sure of everything that was said by PL, so I am really charging bravely into the muck.
He may have made actual threats and made her think that he knew how to locate her. As a man, you know you have a good shot of taking down anyone who messes with you. As a woman, I know that almost any man can take me down. It is a different attitude to walk around with and grow up with. I don't think that the average man can understand what it's like to have to be wary--not a frightened little mouse, but wary of what can be done to you. Look at news reports. Yes, some are alarmist, but awful things are done every day. I do think that possibly a lot of attention brings some stalkers out. I don't want to ever post anything dedicated to him on my blog, and I also see no reason to repost an old fight. He is a bit off and appears to like a fight anyway. From my limited experience, he will tell you all these horrible things that have happened to him to make you feel sorry, but they get to seem improbable. I do feel bad for him, but worse for Natalie. If some here are a bit melodramatic, I don't think she was. She has a right to be free of BS. You are tough and have a thick skin, but not everyone can be so. You did write to me that you won't post your picture, because you are aware of the nuts out there. He is one of those. What if he could locate a woman in your family?
He may have made actual threats and made her think that he knew how to locate her. As a man, you know you have a good shot of taking down anyone who messes with you. As a woman, I know that almost any man can take me down. It is a different attitude to walk around with and grow up with. I don't think that the average man can understand what it's like to have to be wary--not a frightened little mouse, but wary of what can be done to you. Look at news reports. Yes, some are alarmist, but awful things are done every day. I do think that possibly a lot of attention brings some stalkers out. I don't want to ever post anything dedicated to him on my blog, and I also see no reason to repost an old fight. He is a bit off and appears to like a fight anyway. From my limited experience, he will tell you all these horrible things that have happened to him to make you feel sorry, but they get to seem improbable. I do feel bad for him, but worse for Natalie. If some here are a bit melodramatic, I don't think she was. She has a right to be free of BS. You are tough and have a thick skin, but not everyone can be so. You did write to me that you won't post your picture, because you are aware of the nuts out there. He is one of those. What if he could locate a woman in your family?
i could have done without that last pic.
nicely (well, not nicely, but you know what i mean) said, bbe.
nicely (well, not nicely, but you know what i mean) said, bbe.
Avoiding a stalker isn't as easy as "just press delete." Every email comes with "subject" that gets read. And fyi, "deleted" comments still exist on the server, so there is a record.
Ok, let me see if I understand this correctly. Women on OS have supplied enough data to the editors to call for the deletion of Peter Lagios' first profile. You can check the os index if you don't believe me. Everyone of this posts there has no destination attached to it and you will get a 'does not exist' error. He then comes back as a someone else, which I'm sure is a violation of the terms of service, as Mishima has pointed out and somehow you want to take his side in this? Am I confused about where you stand with respect to that BBE? He was not deleted because of his posts, despite their rancor for humanity. He was deleted for constantly contacting women on OS and threatening them by telling them he knew where they lived and how to get there and possibly breaking particular laws in the locale where he lives. Whether or not he actually knew is of little relevance.
Now, this morning I have to admit when I read Jeff's post I was a bit skeptical because I thought this whole issue was dealt with. Now that I know it is not, though, I don't know how Peter's profile can't be deleted, irrespective of the behavior of members who are trying to act in certain women's interests here. I'm sure that this issue really gets certain people and that those people lost it a little bit here and other places with respect to this issue. I think the big difference is that although the carpenter may have said some things he shouldn't have, you guys can probably work out your differences. As for Peter, he seems to have to intention of really letting go of harassing female members who may feel vulnerable for a variety of reasons and making amends. Maybe some of these women have been targeted in their real lives and this experience is to much for them to bear emotionally. It can be rather hard to point a finger on this one.
Thanks for giving us a forum to discuss this though BBE.
Now, this morning I have to admit when I read Jeff's post I was a bit skeptical because I thought this whole issue was dealt with. Now that I know it is not, though, I don't know how Peter's profile can't be deleted, irrespective of the behavior of members who are trying to act in certain women's interests here. I'm sure that this issue really gets certain people and that those people lost it a little bit here and other places with respect to this issue. I think the big difference is that although the carpenter may have said some things he shouldn't have, you guys can probably work out your differences. As for Peter, he seems to have to intention of really letting go of harassing female members who may feel vulnerable for a variety of reasons and making amends. Maybe some of these women have been targeted in their real lives and this experience is to much for them to bear emotionally. It can be rather hard to point a finger on this one.
Thanks for giving us a forum to discuss this though BBE.
BBE, this is very very simple. Having been stalked in 'real' life and having gone through the legal process of obtaining a restraining order, etc. I will tell you and anyone on OS that if someone does not want you to directly contact them and you continue to do so, that is harassment. It has nothing to do with having a thick skin, or an ability to delete comments. Mishima 666 has more than adequately schooled you on the Terms of Service for OS. I suggest that any commenter read Mishima 666 comments to this thread and be done with it.
Who is simply talking about "verbal"? You people are naive and nuts.
My last comment on here. I'm not giving the satisfaction. No crimes have ever come as a result of internet threats by men toward women, right?
Lonnie, I'm a bit surprised man, honestly.
I'm out.
My last comment on here. I'm not giving the satisfaction. No crimes have ever come as a result of internet threats by men toward women, right?
Lonnie, I'm a bit surprised man, honestly.
I'm out.
stephanie, is that your real full name? why do you use it? i cannot imagine having been the victim of stalking and then needlessly using my real and full name on the internet.
the internet is not our perception of the internet.
it is not safe bc we wish it to be..
it is a dangerous place, and if you dont take incredibly obvious, first level steps to protect yourself - i wont say it is your fault if you are victimized, but i WILL wonder why you didnt pre-empt it.
the internet is not our perception of the internet.
it is not safe bc we wish it to be..
it is a dangerous place, and if you dont take incredibly obvious, first level steps to protect yourself - i wont say it is your fault if you are victimized, but i WILL wonder why you didnt pre-empt it.
Where do you get that I'm a "cop"? Take your meds, close your eyes, count to 10.
Simply Gross......
But other wise very nice.................
But other wise very nice.................
It seems people have banded together today and got Kalvin deleted. Way to be Censoring Cunt Ratfinks. I saw nothing in Kalvin's comments or blogs that tied that profile to Lagios. Everyone who is critical of you is not Lagios in disguise. Great work people.
To Lagios: If someone asks you to stop emailing them, stop emailing them. Not that hard.
No surprise that Lazar and Justis are here bitching about the quality of the nudity. No pleasing some people. grumble.
To Lagios: If someone asks you to stop emailing them, stop emailing them. Not that hard.
No surprise that Lazar and Justis are here bitching about the quality of the nudity. No pleasing some people. grumble.
BBE - I think that the part that would be considered threatening is the part that's going on in private messages. I don' know the origin of the messages, but I know one woman who deleted her posts after receiving not only obnoxious emails, but also threatening ones that contained the actual location of where she lives.
Some of it is pumped up drama, sure, and over sensationalized. But under all the fuss are some bare bones things that are very wrong and possibly criminal.
Some of it is pumped up drama, sure, and over sensationalized. But under all the fuss are some bare bones things that are very wrong and possibly criminal.
M.J., I'm a bull too, so I can say that. If I skip mine, I wouldn't want to be around me...I meant it, literally...
BBE, I got that little shit's comments deleted from MY blogs which he flooded with bullshit. You want to take it out on some ONE, take it out on me and no one else.
Got it?
Got it?
Kalvin's comments were wiped everywhere including this blog and the entire profile is gone.
Your posturing is silly. I can "take it out" however I want. You and that big bad brother in law you're using as a bully stick don't sign my paychecks and have no control here. Got it?
Your posturing is silly. I can "take it out" however I want. You and that big bad brother in law you're using as a bully stick don't sign my paychecks and have no control here. Got it?
Wow.
I have learnt 10 new swear words today.
Thanks,I really was getting tired of the old ones.
I have learnt 10 new swear words today.
Thanks,I really was getting tired of the old ones.
So salon editors are finally growing some balls? I remember when I guy (fetboy) on Salon was stalking me via the letters - quite publically threatening to track me down, rape and kill me - not necessarily in that order. I complained to the editors and they did absolutely nothing. Can't imagine what the difference was.
BBE, The fellow you defend did openly discuss his mental health in ways that would suggest that he may not be of sound mind. Combine that with stalking and it is a dangerous brew. He wasn't just an ordinary pain in the ass like you with an opinion different from my own. He was scary to me.
I just want to say, BBE, thanks for keeping it real in the friggin hysteria.
I just commented on G.Thomas blog that, y'know, him and others threatening that their relatives in secret police places could get info on anyone, on demand, is certainly threatening to me!
Plus, what does that say about those agencies? I sort of want to double dare him to have his BIL post here about how he was ready to fight this crime!
Oh, whoops, Greg made friends with Peter again. I guess the FBI can go back to drinking coffee and waiting for calls from OS.
(Comments are closed there - probably due to me - so I'm bringing it over here. )
Is there any blog, rational or slightly rational, that actually details this entire brou ha-ha? Because, my last comment to G. Thomas was - can somebody tell me if this guy (or other accused guys who might be the same guy but maybe aren't) has/have emailed someone outside of the OS PM app? That's all I really need or want to know. The rest is salacious, and I'd read it if I was really bored, but I think I've had enough today. Boy Howdy! Once the badges and flak jackets came out I was running scared!
(Which, since you will read this Greg, you posted in a series of photos at the top of your vigilante post. So don't get so surprised when people accuse you of "pulling a badge.")
Anyway, is my analysis correct - that Greg and Peter (?) are now solving Peter's problems, their issues, whatever, via OS email?
I really WOULD like a fucking MAP as to who's who, when - what the fuck happened, how it got out of hand, why it's this big deal.
And, mostly, if this ever went any farther than OS. If somebody was able to email people through their IP, that's different. Did that happen?
OMG - I hope the FBI isn't reading this! Fucktardedness should not be supported, never mind praised.
Thanks for letting me say my "piece" - ha ha - my hidden piece.
I just commented on G.Thomas blog that, y'know, him and others threatening that their relatives in secret police places could get info on anyone, on demand, is certainly threatening to me!
Plus, what does that say about those agencies? I sort of want to double dare him to have his BIL post here about how he was ready to fight this crime!
Oh, whoops, Greg made friends with Peter again. I guess the FBI can go back to drinking coffee and waiting for calls from OS.
(Comments are closed there - probably due to me - so I'm bringing it over here. )
Is there any blog, rational or slightly rational, that actually details this entire brou ha-ha? Because, my last comment to G. Thomas was - can somebody tell me if this guy (or other accused guys who might be the same guy but maybe aren't) has/have emailed someone outside of the OS PM app? That's all I really need or want to know. The rest is salacious, and I'd read it if I was really bored, but I think I've had enough today. Boy Howdy! Once the badges and flak jackets came out I was running scared!
(Which, since you will read this Greg, you posted in a series of photos at the top of your vigilante post. So don't get so surprised when people accuse you of "pulling a badge.")
Anyway, is my analysis correct - that Greg and Peter (?) are now solving Peter's problems, their issues, whatever, via OS email?
I really WOULD like a fucking MAP as to who's who, when - what the fuck happened, how it got out of hand, why it's this big deal.
And, mostly, if this ever went any farther than OS. If somebody was able to email people through their IP, that's different. Did that happen?
OMG - I hope the FBI isn't reading this! Fucktardedness should not be supported, never mind praised.
Thanks for letting me say my "piece" - ha ha - my hidden piece.
BBE:
Leave Greg-Sama ALONE! What the hell did he do to you?
NOTHING . . .cut the crap.
Leave Greg-Sama ALONE! What the hell did he do to you?
NOTHING . . .cut the crap.
Having seen the difficulty of people trying to get the police or FBI to deal with RL stalker's, let alone online ones and the complete cluelessness of the authorities in regard to this (real) problem, I'd say all those twits rambling on about their TOp SECRURT EX boyfrineds in HIGH UP PLACES who can tracks AYONE ONLINE ANYWHURES at their BECK AND CALLS - they're just big noting and wanking themselves off online to impress their open salon circle jerk friends.
Or - alternative thought - They really believe the bullshit their TOP SECRET FBI friends tell them.
Freeborn, like aim who commented below you, I would have to know much more about the alleged stalking before I labeled Lagios a cyber stalker or a murderer or threatened to sick a law enforcement relative on him like others did today. The Community Scold is much closer to target with his harassment statute which applies to most OSers who get heated in comments. And if Lagios is under care, he has found the right online home as it seems half of OS is on some drug or another that could get them labeled mental if I wanted to be an insensitive dick. Forfend! Don't let Lagios scare you. Like most online, he just loves to talk and talk and talk.
Blackpaw, not sure if they have grown balls, but they sure are deleting anyone suspected of being Peter Lagios with a vengeance. Several non-Lagios profiles were taken out with extreme prejudice today.
And you're right about LEOs not having time to deal with real life stalkers let alone people bashing each other on the internet. My advice for anyone being stalked for real is what I gave the Community Scold. Get a gun, keep it close and learn to use it. A TRO is just a piece of paper and won't stop someone who really wants to get you. I also don't advise giving out personal information online.
Blackpaw, not sure if they have grown balls, but they sure are deleting anyone suspected of being Peter Lagios with a vengeance. Several non-Lagios profiles were taken out with extreme prejudice today.
And you're right about LEOs not having time to deal with real life stalkers let alone people bashing each other on the internet. My advice for anyone being stalked for real is what I gave the Community Scold. Get a gun, keep it close and learn to use it. A TRO is just a piece of paper and won't stop someone who really wants to get you. I also don't advise giving out personal information online.
but they sure are deleting anyone suspected of being Peter Lagios with a vengeance
Bit of a worry that, I've already had one twit (trig) accuse me of being Peter - I had no idea of what he was going on about, which is what led me to this blog entry :)
And its a charming example of the mindset on opensalon, the blog author has deleted all my comments, I wasn't abusive, but she didn't like what I had to say.
I like the idea of opensalon, but I find myself visiting it less and less - its turned into such a stultifying group think little nanny state, full of self identified victims all crying for attention.
Bit of a worry that, I've already had one twit (trig) accuse me of being Peter - I had no idea of what he was going on about, which is what led me to this blog entry :)
And its a charming example of the mindset on opensalon, the blog author has deleted all my comments, I wasn't abusive, but she didn't like what I had to say.
I like the idea of opensalon, but I find myself visiting it less and less - its turned into such a stultifying group think little nanny state, full of self identified victims all crying for attention.
She gets high on acid and alcohol and smashes up their home with a baseball bat and chaisaw(!) and that's funny. However questioning whether its actually violence and abuse is stalking and misogynistic apparently.
Such precious little egos, so narrow and unable to perceive their own contradictions, quite lackng in self examination or humour.
Such precious little egos, so narrow and unable to perceive their own contradictions, quite lackng in self examination or humour.
People get real touchy here if you dare to disagree with them. Being delete happy usually means you're an insecure ass. And don't even get them started about Editor's Pick favoritism and how the front page is chosen. They'll never stop complaining.
But one can always go elsewhere.
But one can always go elsewhere.
But one can always go elsewhere.
Exactly, and what I seem to end up doing. But such attitudes will be the death of what little community there is here, its to narrow a contributor base as it is.
Mind you the terrible posting/management interface does not help either.
Exactly, and what I seem to end up doing. But such attitudes will be the death of what little community there is here, its to narrow a contributor base as it is.
Mind you the terrible posting/management interface does not help either.
I like that you suggest the purchase of and education on the use of a gun, and then: protect yourself on the internet.
I'm still not seeing any proof that anyone's IP was hacked. But, just to add my two cents: everyone should have at least three email accounts. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail are great for a second or third email account.
One of these should be the account that you set for any online communities that you join.
If you use any IP address that's connected to your home via cable, bills, phone on this site or any others - you should probably spend a day changing everything online over to a free account that is secure. Any IP that is direct to your machine is vulnerable.
I am not going to get a gun. I have enough self defense training to believe that I can disable an attacker and call for help. Who knows? I'm a survivor, literally, so I'm pretty cautious. I know I have surprised my boyfriend and one other male friend with my reflexes. Foot down on the instep, elbow into the chest, turn and knee into the groin.
Take care!
I'm still not seeing any proof that anyone's IP was hacked. But, just to add my two cents: everyone should have at least three email accounts. Yahoo, gmail, hotmail are great for a second or third email account.
One of these should be the account that you set for any online communities that you join.
If you use any IP address that's connected to your home via cable, bills, phone on this site or any others - you should probably spend a day changing everything online over to a free account that is secure. Any IP that is direct to your machine is vulnerable.
I am not going to get a gun. I have enough self defense training to believe that I can disable an attacker and call for help. Who knows? I'm a survivor, literally, so I'm pretty cautious. I know I have surprised my boyfriend and one other male friend with my reflexes. Foot down on the instep, elbow into the chest, turn and knee into the groin.
Take care!
BBE I hope you will humor me and allow the posting of this email sent to me by "Kalvin" and my response. If you don't want it here, I will not be upset if you delete it. I leave it up to you.
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Dear Kalvin/whoever
I did not threaten and obviously you did not read. I said that If I feel that there is a real danger to anyone, I would try to find help for the person in trouble.
I didn't mention you or any individual as the predator.
I do know that there have been threats to women through private messages here on OS- messages that also mention the woman's place of residence.
This obviously is beyond "opinions of writing" and what I was referring to. This is not a freedom of speech issue, it is when that speech crosses into the line of the illegal.
A
KalvinTheGreat wrote >>
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i'd like you to call that fbi friend of yours and have him investigate me for cyberstalking you, if that's okay with you.
you seem so gungho and i figure if you're brazen enough to openly threaten every single os member with criminal charges for posting their opinions of your writing, then i say:
go for it.
this one is going to bite you in the ass.
hard.
x.
k.
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Dear Kalvin/whoever
I did not threaten and obviously you did not read. I said that If I feel that there is a real danger to anyone, I would try to find help for the person in trouble.
I didn't mention you or any individual as the predator.
I do know that there have been threats to women through private messages here on OS- messages that also mention the woman's place of residence.
This obviously is beyond "opinions of writing" and what I was referring to. This is not a freedom of speech issue, it is when that speech crosses into the line of the illegal.
A
KalvinTheGreat wrote >>
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i'd like you to call that fbi friend of yours and have him investigate me for cyberstalking you, if that's okay with you.
you seem so gungho and i figure if you're brazen enough to openly threaten every single os member with criminal charges for posting their opinions of your writing, then i say:
go for it.
this one is going to bite you in the ass.
hard.
x.
k.
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"i think this all has something to do with latent homosexuality between nanatehay and greggy, honestly.
my advice:
get a room you faggots.
no one wants to watch you suck each other off on here.
or read your posts.
garbage, all of it, imho.
kisses!
x.
k.
it's nice to see at least someone in this joke of a community has the balls to stand up to these nazi faggots and can think for themselves. "
Kalvin,
If OS is such a "joke" to you, then leave. No one is forcing you to stay. I'm only responding to this drivel to watch the back of a very dear friend that you continue to smear.
Your comments remind me of the writing on a high school bathroom wall, childish and sad.
my advice:
get a room you faggots.
no one wants to watch you suck each other off on here.
or read your posts.
garbage, all of it, imho.
kisses!
x.
k.
it's nice to see at least someone in this joke of a community has the balls to stand up to these nazi faggots and can think for themselves. "
Kalvin,
If OS is such a "joke" to you, then leave. No one is forcing you to stay. I'm only responding to this drivel to watch the back of a very dear friend that you continue to smear.
Your comments remind me of the writing on a high school bathroom wall, childish and sad.
well done BBE. i see your funny little post has drawn a lot of the creepy crawlies you love so much. "pah" "peter hilton" "kalvin the great." others who've been deleted since yesterday. you ought to just call your blog "Free Soapbox For Cybercreeps" and have done with it. great job fucktard.
Not everyone is an elitist censoring snob like you.
you're funny BBE. yesterday you were referring to me as "the carpenter" in a manner which strongly suggests your contempt for people who actually work for a living, yet today you're calling me an "elitist." what a silly little flouncer you are.
you need to just move to Iowa and shack up with peter. you two fellas would make a lovely couple.
you need to just move to Iowa and shack up with peter. you two fellas would make a lovely couple.
why shoot buddy holly, information isn't hard to come by. just do a google for "peter lagios."
Carpenter, you really have issues. Your need to use homosexuality as a slam exposes your homophobia. Homophobes are assholes. Therefore you are an asshole. But I already knew that.
You keep coming back here. You must like looking like an asshole.
You keep coming back here. You must like looking like an asshole.
i keep coming back here cause i value your principled stand on free speech fucktard. you're doing a public service and all. as far as homophobia i've got no issues with gay people at all; i just like making fun of you and your bud peter. he's a stalker and you're his enabler, so who's the asshole you funny little flouncer?
Again with the blatant homophobia.
Can't you come up with something different for variety's sake?
Yawn.
Can't you come up with something different for variety's sake?
Yawn.
yawn is right BBE. homophobia isn't the issue here and you know it, yet it seems to be the only comeback you've got for anything i've said.
my imitation of BBE:
"nanatehay is an elitist ::flounce:: he's a homophobe ::flounce:: he's a carpenter ::flounce::
you can consider those to be heterosexual or gay or feminine flounces if you like. flouncing is flouncing, and your gender or sexual orientation is of no concern to me you douchebag.
my imitation of BBE:
"nanatehay is an elitist ::flounce:: he's a homophobe ::flounce:: he's a carpenter ::flounce::
you can consider those to be heterosexual or gay or feminine flounces if you like. flouncing is flouncing, and your gender or sexual orientation is of no concern to me you douchebag.
And yet you keep coming back for more. Your life must be very small.
i'm just replying to your shitty little post and your shitty little comments on it BBE. i was too tired yesterday to give it the attention it deserves. the headline on this thing reads like a challenge, like you wanted to discuss something maybe. yet now i'm here to discuss it with you and you sound like you'd rather i wasn't here. i'd always heard the great BBE was such a respected warrior and champion, such a tough guy and all that. but right here on his own post he turns out to be a sad little flouncer who'd rather not even discuss the very issues he seemed so wrought up about. it's sad really, and disappointing to me.
since however you seem disinclined or unable to say anything worth listening to i guess i'll go on my way. what a pathetic fucktard you are though.
since however you seem disinclined or unable to say anything worth listening to i guess i'll go on my way. what a pathetic fucktard you are though.
Considering you apologized for coming over here and writing stupid comments in an email you sent just this very morning, you really are showing true colors tonight. Your behavior is almost schizoid.
Go to your sent box and reflect on what you wrote in the early hours this morning and then reread what you have written tonight. Schizoid. Irrational. Homophobic. Stalkerish in your obsession.
You really do suck. I'm starting to think you're an idiot as well.
Go to your sent box and reflect on what you wrote in the early hours this morning and then reread what you have written tonight. Schizoid. Irrational. Homophobic. Stalkerish in your obsession.
You really do suck. I'm starting to think you're an idiot as well.
I need a dance card.
BBE fucktard, i haven't forgot what i sent you, i just decided to retract it. i realized on second thought that you're a sack of shit for real and aren't just acting like one.
and if you wanna see a schizophrenic, and a hypocrite to boot, look in the mirror pal. all day yesterday there were comments on this post from your buds kalvin and various forms of peter that were blatantly homophobic yet you had not a word of criticism for 'em. or have you forgotten the comments you pathetic little fuck?
and if you wanna see a schizophrenic, and a hypocrite to boot, look in the mirror pal. all day yesterday there were comments on this post from your buds kalvin and various forms of peter that were blatantly homophobic yet you had not a word of criticism for 'em. or have you forgotten the comments you pathetic little fuck?
I see no need to defend you from the comments of Lagios or Kalvin and it is pathetic that you demand I do so.
Conversely when you attack me, I am always pleased to point out your inane thought processes. Feel free to do the same to Lagios and Kalvin. Let it not be said that I stood in the way of you making an even bigger fool out of yourself.
Sweet dreams.
Conversely when you attack me, I am always pleased to point out your inane thought processes. Feel free to do the same to Lagios and Kalvin. Let it not be said that I stood in the way of you making an even bigger fool out of yourself.
Sweet dreams.
This entire thread is fingered. Just because you can't finger your own thread.
"I have to stand with Greg-Sama on this one."
You HAVE to stand with . . . on THIS one? Have you any idea how funny that sounds, coming from you?
You HAVE to stand with . . . on THIS one? Have you any idea how funny that sounds, coming from you?
All I wanted to say on this issue after scrolling thru all these comments is this.
By the very nature of a blog site with emails and commenting capabilities it is a tool of communication. Nothing that is said or done in here should be used in criminal courts to give people real world charges. Unless a person takes actual steps to contact someone in real life and mess with their home or personal space or workplace it should be just chalked up as an unfortunate consequence of an open tool of communication. While this may not satisfy Mishima666's prudent recitation of the poor bloke's local ordinance one could only hope a reasonable judge-should it ever get to that point...would see this proportionately. I do want to leave you with a direct quote from Redstocking Grandma which sums up my overarching postion on this matter and in any other "harrasment or stalking" matters.
"I just don't think someone should be jailed or incarcerated for what they say or write." --redstocking grandma
By the very nature of a blog site with emails and commenting capabilities it is a tool of communication. Nothing that is said or done in here should be used in criminal courts to give people real world charges. Unless a person takes actual steps to contact someone in real life and mess with their home or personal space or workplace it should be just chalked up as an unfortunate consequence of an open tool of communication. While this may not satisfy Mishima666's prudent recitation of the poor bloke's local ordinance one could only hope a reasonable judge-should it ever get to that point...would see this proportionately. I do want to leave you with a direct quote from Redstocking Grandma which sums up my overarching postion on this matter and in any other "harrasment or stalking" matters.
"I just don't think someone should be jailed or incarcerated for what they say or write." --redstocking grandma
Man, I'm pretty glad I have no idea what any of this means. Rated just 'cause apparently I'm out of the loop - and thankful for it.
I just don't think someone should be jailed or incarcerated for what they say or write." --redstocking grandma 
February 18, 2009 07:33 PM
I just don't think someone should be jailed or incarcerated for what they say or write." --redstocking grandma
Man, I'm pretty glad I have no idea what any of this means. Rated just 'cause apparently I'm out of the loop - and thankful for it.
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