Recent Development:
Now you need to go monkey finger, thumb, rate, etc Dr. Dach's response:
Debate Call
He is a much better sport than other MDs on OS.
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Jealous that Dr. Dach's blog is getting some attention around OS, The Doctor Who Could Not Be Wrong™ "challenged" Dr. Dach to a debate today. This is after she called him a quack twice in her blog and tagged her "challenge" blog with quackery.
The Doctor Who Could Not Be Wrong™ is unprofessional, sad and looking pretty mental.
To keep you from clicking over and giving her page views, her "challenge" is below.
Feel free to say what you really think about her in the comments here. If you do it there, she will just delete you.
I left my last comment at her blog today. No more page views, no more monkey fingers, no more attention for that attention whore.
Go show Dr Dach some appreciation over at his blog today. Give it the monkey finger, the thumb, the rating:
Killed by Vitamins
The Doctor Who Could Not Be Wrong™ isn't worth the time and having Dr. Dach get read will just infuriate her more.
Comments
Rated. With nothing useful to add.
I said it the other day: Doc Fight!
I love this and would almost pay good money to moderate a round table discussion among Tuteur, Dach and Rahul K. Parikh. MAn that would be fun.
I've been giving more thought to the moniker I came up with for Ms. Tuteur and I decided it conveys an undeserved implication of legitimacy to her views. So I have decided to only ever refer to her in the future as She Who Could Not Be Wrong™.
She diminishes the value of a Harvard degree almost as much as George W. Bush.
I love this and would almost pay good money to moderate a round table discussion among Tuteur, Dach and Rahul K. Parikh. MAn that would be fun.
I've been giving more thought to the moniker I came up with for Ms. Tuteur and I decided it conveys an undeserved implication of legitimacy to her views. So I have decided to only ever refer to her in the future as She Who Could Not Be Wrong™.
She diminishes the value of a Harvard degree almost as much as George W. Bush.
So, you for the "natural doctor" nut case? Vitamins are a racket. Eat good food and stop paying the companies that produce that crap.
I left a comment for her. Wonder if it will stay up. I like Doc Dach, he's very cool. I'm so glad the OS community now has a contrast to help them see how awful she is as an "in-house" medical so-called expert. We needed that.
I doubt he'd debate her. He's probably pretty busy seeing patients, spending time with family, and providing us with multiple references for his well-researched posts.
I doubt he'd debate her. He's probably pretty busy seeing patients, spending time with family, and providing us with multiple references for his well-researched posts.
I'm less for Dr. Dach than against the rigidity of the attention whore who thinks doctors shouldn't be held accountable for the infections they cause by not washing their hands.
I'm for accountability in the FDA, not accepting every medical study sponsored by the drug companies as gospel, and the end of health care as a business. I'm for prevention, not after the fact medication. I'm for exploring and studying natural remedies that are suppressed because they are not patentable like cannabis setiva.
Vitamins are tools. Not everyone has proper nutrition which is preferable. Too much processed food. Too many people eating margarine instead of butter.
I'm for accountability in the FDA, not accepting every medical study sponsored by the drug companies as gospel, and the end of health care as a business. I'm for prevention, not after the fact medication. I'm for exploring and studying natural remedies that are suppressed because they are not patentable like cannabis setiva.
Vitamins are tools. Not everyone has proper nutrition which is preferable. Too much processed food. Too many people eating margarine instead of butter.
"The Rumble In The Jungle" "The Thrilla in Manilla" and now "The Gloves Are On In The Open Salon". I say throw in Dr. Parikh as well. He always is moderate. He can be Ron Paul to Hillary and Bararck.
Butter is good for you and so is bacon and vitamins are great. Any doctor that tells you any different is full of lies.
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Dr. Dach is already "debating" if you bother to read his blog today.
It is a counterpoint on psuedo science.
It irritates She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ that Dr. Dach's blog is getting read and she can't control the debate.
It is a counterpoint on psuedo science.
It irritates She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ that Dr. Dach's blog is getting read and she can't control the debate.
got a news flash for dr amy: many medicines began as natural 'alternative medicine ' long, long before science entered the picture.
i still remember the astonishment when reserpine made the jump from indian traditional treatment to western science, who would have thought that gurus with a rag around their loins had effective treatment for mental illness!
but the best treatment for dr amy is to stop mentioning her name.
i still remember the astonishment when reserpine made the jump from indian traditional treatment to western science, who would have thought that gurus with a rag around their loins had effective treatment for mental illness!
but the best treatment for dr amy is to stop mentioning her name.
That is why she is forever more She Who Could Not Be Wrong™
Scruffus:
I hear ya on the butter and don't forget CAKE!
I hear ya on the butter and don't forget CAKE!
I guess I don't really see what's wrong with a debate. Dr. Amy may be a complete narcissist, but she does have some useful things to say sometimes. I think I'd enjoy seeing both sides of the issue. She'll come in with guns blazing because that's how she rolls, but I don't see the harm in it. Debate. Sure. It'll be entertaining. Why not? You just have to look past her offensive manner. But if we refuse to listen to anyone who we don't like personally, then that would really limit our personal knowledge, don't you think? It's important to bounce ideas off of each other. That's how we learn.
The thing is, science is important. Well researched, well studied, well documented analysis of the claims of any entity looking to make a profit off the fears and insecurities, off the hopes and dreams and prejudices and delusions of the average person ought to be demanded by the public and required by the government.
Which is why I have taken pains never to challenge She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ on any of her assertions about the benefits and expertise of modern medicine, nor have I ever sought to hold charlatans and placebo merchants up as equal to or superior to real scientists.
Where she crosses the line is in making blanket statements such as "almost every alternative health product fails..." and "most people who believe in alternative healthcare have never read a science book and know nothing about statistics...."
She is the worst kind of deceptive character, one who has existed in every era of human development, someone who hides behind the mystical cloak of specialized knowledge and uses logical fallacy to demonize and belittle all who would challenge her authority and supremacy.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ is an embarrassment to both science and logic, in spite of the fact that some of the things she says are correct and some of the practices and merchants she decries are a danger to the general population.
Which is why I have taken pains never to challenge She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ on any of her assertions about the benefits and expertise of modern medicine, nor have I ever sought to hold charlatans and placebo merchants up as equal to or superior to real scientists.
Where she crosses the line is in making blanket statements such as "almost every alternative health product fails..." and "most people who believe in alternative healthcare have never read a science book and know nothing about statistics...."
She is the worst kind of deceptive character, one who has existed in every era of human development, someone who hides behind the mystical cloak of specialized knowledge and uses logical fallacy to demonize and belittle all who would challenge her authority and supremacy.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ is an embarrassment to both science and logic, in spite of the fact that some of the things she says are correct and some of the practices and merchants she decries are a danger to the general population.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ is a retired unlicensed blogger with nothing but time.
Dr. Dach has a practice and doesn't hang out here 24/7. His time is professionally valuable. He is actually being a doctor and healing people, not attention whoring all over the internet.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ isn't looking for a real debate, she is looking for more attention.
It is presumptuous to think Dr. Dach exists to entertain you.
Dr. Dach has a practice and doesn't hang out here 24/7. His time is professionally valuable. He is actually being a doctor and healing people, not attention whoring all over the internet.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ isn't looking for a real debate, she is looking for more attention.
It is presumptuous to think Dr. Dach exists to entertain you.
Mmm...butter. Why don't they make butter-flavored tea???
Yay, Scruffus! We loves our bacon.
Lazar's latest is winning the best comment about She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ Contest so far. bravo.
Of course he doesn't exist to entertain me, but I'm not going to pass up on good entertainment in the event it occurs. And by entertainment, I don't mean "Haha, look at that." I mean interesting and thought-provoking. Don't you think it would be at least interesting and thought-provoking? For all her flaws, she's not an idiot. She might have something good to say.
You seem to be familiar with her work on other sites on the internet. Do you really think she ever debates? Get real.
Here's an idea, how about if we collectively just ignore the various emissions of these two gas bags. I'm sick of doctors, scientists, academics, who use their degrees as weapons to attempt to bludgeon you into submitting to their authority. I'm an academic myself and I assure you, M.D.'s are nothing special in terms of having access to the truth.
@ hatchetface
I too think degrees should be something we slip into a shoe box and semi-bury beneath a bed. I once worked at a place where nearly everyone was a doc, so no one was a doc. Instead, they were a bunch of Bobs and Carols and Teds and Alices, san the sex. I wish every place were that place.
And I wish that belittling Amy Tuteur weren't the fashion: it isn't a flattering fashion.
I too think degrees should be something we slip into a shoe box and semi-bury beneath a bed. I once worked at a place where nearly everyone was a doc, so no one was a doc. Instead, they were a bunch of Bobs and Carols and Teds and Alices, san the sex. I wish every place were that place.
And I wish that belittling Amy Tuteur weren't the fashion: it isn't a flattering fashion.
The only person using a medical degree to bludgeon on OS is She Who Could Not Be Wrong™
Bastard, I had butter in my tea in Central Asia. It tasted like ass. Here is the wiki link for butter tea. Bacon tea would really be something. No entry for that. May have to create it.
Butter and bacon and cake! Oh my!
Butter flavored bacon or bacon flavored butter would be rad. Not sure about bacon flavored cake, though. *scratching chin*
Has anyone tried the bacon/chocolate bar from Vosges?
Maybe bacon-n-butter flavored chocolate cake would do the trick?
Butter flavored bacon or bacon flavored butter would be rad. Not sure about bacon flavored cake, though. *scratching chin*
Has anyone tried the bacon/chocolate bar from Vosges?
Maybe bacon-n-butter flavored chocolate cake would do the trick?
hatchetface: You think there wasn't sex going on with those Bob and Ted and Alice and Carols? How spectacularly naive of you!
I'm joking, of course.
I'm joking, of course.
CB - butter flavor tea is quite popular in Nepal and Tibet. It's made from Yak butter, which tends to stimulate the gag reflex in many with a western palate, but it can be quite yummy once you get used to it. Makes great candles, too.
@bigguns - She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ invites belittlement via her hubris and apparent belief that the main impediment to total agreement with her every pronouncement is ignorance.
@bigguns - She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ invites belittlement via her hubris and apparent belief that the main impediment to total agreement with her every pronouncement is ignorance.
bacon flavored tea, even better. I will attempt a meta-analysis of how long one must steep a pig.
Bigguns will soon learn that if you don't have MD after your handle, you don't know shit in the eyes of She Who Could Not Be Wrong™
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ has been run off of most natural birth boards on the internet and so fled to Open Salon where she pontificates daily and abuses all who do not agree with her.
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ has been run off of most natural birth boards on the internet and so fled to Open Salon where she pontificates daily and abuses all who do not agree with her.
Those MDs who don't agree with her lockstep are slandered as quacks by She Who Could Not Be Wrong™
@ Lonnie Lazar
If you fault her for certainty, there you should be wary of the certainty in this thread, which is mob certainty, an especially virulent form of certitude.
@ Behind Blue Eyes
All sorts of docs bludgeon with degrees. I'd love to discuss the ubiquity of this phenomenon, rather than casting Amy as the uncool kid in this lunchroom.
If you fault her for certainty, there you should be wary of the certainty in this thread, which is mob certainty, an especially virulent form of certitude.
@ Behind Blue Eyes
All sorts of docs bludgeon with degrees. I'd love to discuss the ubiquity of this phenomenon, rather than casting Amy as the uncool kid in this lunchroom.
Read her blog and her blog threads and you'll understand.
@ behind blue eyes
I've read some of her essays. Frankly, I don't have the patience for folks who dispatch ten syllables to do the work of three and Amy is such a writer, but so is every other writer in the world. She's an academic writer and many academic writers circumlocute, but they've been schooled to believe that being brief is unprofessional. Frankly, even if I loathed her, I wouldn't want to silence or shame her. And if folks at Open Salon succeed in silencing her, someone else will take her place, for she serves a role in this community, the voice of authority.
I've read some of her essays. Frankly, I don't have the patience for folks who dispatch ten syllables to do the work of three and Amy is such a writer, but so is every other writer in the world. She's an academic writer and many academic writers circumlocute, but they've been schooled to believe that being brief is unprofessional. Frankly, even if I loathed her, I wouldn't want to silence or shame her. And if folks at Open Salon succeed in silencing her, someone else will take her place, for she serves a role in this community, the voice of authority.
The voice of authority who says doctors aren't responsible for the deaths they cause by failing to wash their hands? Get real.
If you aren't willing to read what she writes and how she treats others, then you have no business criticizing.
I'm confused. Is it Dr. yak butter or Dr. bacon tea that's the know it all?
She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ (Tea-M)
@ Behind Blue Eyes
I have read some of her essays: I just haven't read her entire blog. Is that a prerequisite for commenting? If she's posted elsewhere on the Internet, why isn't reading all of her cyberwords a prerequisite for commenting?
As far as how she treats others, well, she isn't being treated well in this thread.
You certainly seem comfortable with silencing folks. When you're successful, the bell tolls for you too.
I have read some of her essays: I just haven't read her entire blog. Is that a prerequisite for commenting? If she's posted elsewhere on the Internet, why isn't reading all of her cyberwords a prerequisite for commenting?
As far as how she treats others, well, she isn't being treated well in this thread.
You certainly seem comfortable with silencing folks. When you're successful, the bell tolls for you too.
It is impossible to silence anyone these days so your point is silly.
I'm in favor of flexibility. I'm in favor of genuine curiosity. I'm in favor of butter (tho not Yak variety). I'm in favor of cake and all things sweet and delicious. I am in favor of Lonnie and all my many friends here. I am in favor of medical and related professionals who treat me like a thinking person, expect me to cooperate in a team effort to help me, continue to update themselves and me with information and also enjoy cake.
I am not in favor of this-is-the-way-it-is-and-there-is-absolutely-no-possibility-you-have-anything-informative-to-say-because-I-am-always-right. Whoa. How back to the 50's is that.
I am not in favor of this-is-the-way-it-is-and-there-is-absolutely-no-possibility-you-have-anything-informative-to-say-because-I-am-always-right. Whoa. How back to the 50's is that.
@ Behind Blue Eyes
You can silence her at Open Salon. Isn't that the unstated purpose of all this invective? And to that end, Sally Swift can call Amy a freak, since she's comfy employing that slur.
You can silence her at Open Salon. Isn't that the unstated purpose of all this invective? And to that end, Sally Swift can call Amy a freak, since she's comfy employing that slur.
BBE, thank you for this powerful community service. No amount of "bullying" behavior in this post nor in the comments thereof match the pushy nastiness that has emanated from She Who Could Not Be Wrong™. Well done.
rated with an honorary monkey finger
rated with an honorary monkey finger
Talking about bacon, bacon, bacon... Hey, Zingerman's in Ann Arbor has a marvelous chocolate bar that contains bacon. No kidding. http://www.zingermans.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=P-BCR
"Vosges excellent milk chocolate is studded with crispy pieces of Applewood Smoked Bacon from Wisconsin (the same bacon we’ve been serving at Zingerman’s Deli for almost 26 years) then spiked with a bit of smoked sea salt. It’s sweet, smoky, salty, crispy and velvety rich, all at once." ymmmm. It just has to be good for you (particularly now that chocolate is health food)
"Vosges excellent milk chocolate is studded with crispy pieces of Applewood Smoked Bacon from Wisconsin (the same bacon we’ve been serving at Zingerman’s Deli for almost 26 years) then spiked with a bit of smoked sea salt. It’s sweet, smoky, salty, crispy and velvety rich, all at once." ymmmm. It just has to be good for you (particularly now that chocolate is health food)
@bigguns - I don't believe anyone is trying to silence anyone here. I am in favor of free speech in all its messy, sometimes provocative glory. As such, I am in favor of the freedom to point out when a person dons the cloak of credentialed authority to diminish and dismiss entire belief systems, millennia of experience, and contrary opinions with the broad brushes of over-generalization and illogical conclusions - to make fun of that person and to hold her up to ridicule. Because such an endeavor - especially one used to try and make a living for oneself - is ridiculous.
Well said, Lonnie.
Bigguns, considering your blog post today was about silencing everyone on OS until they get "paid," I am finding your comments here even more hilarious in that light.
I cannot silence She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ on OS any more than you can convince the posters here on OS that they shouldn't work for Salon for "free."
I am merely providing a counterweight to She Who Could Not Be Wrong™'s attention whoring. A community service of sorts like Coyote says.
I didn't see the word freak anywhere in Swift's comment. You should read better. Or perhaps you should get busier convincing us to stop writing on OS.
Bacon and chocolate. Bacon and tea. Bacon and deviled eggs. Bacon and toast. Bacon and melon. Bacon and cherries. Bacon and yogurt. Bacon and peanut butter.
I cannot silence She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ on OS any more than you can convince the posters here on OS that they shouldn't work for Salon for "free."
I am merely providing a counterweight to She Who Could Not Be Wrong™'s attention whoring. A community service of sorts like Coyote says.
I didn't see the word freak anywhere in Swift's comment. You should read better. Or perhaps you should get busier convincing us to stop writing on OS.
Bacon and chocolate. Bacon and tea. Bacon and deviled eggs. Bacon and toast. Bacon and melon. Bacon and cherries. Bacon and yogurt. Bacon and peanut butter.
@ Behind Blue Eyes
My post was about being cognizant of the ways in which we're used and use others, in turn. I'm not suggesting silence. I am suggesting that Open Salon bloggers correlate Salon's dismissal of writers and opening of Open Salon and choose consequently.
Click on Sally Swift's name and you'll find the word, "freak."
@ Lonnie Lazar
Here's what I find ridiculous: believing that holding someone "up to ridicule" serves a noble purpose.
My post was about being cognizant of the ways in which we're used and use others, in turn. I'm not suggesting silence. I am suggesting that Open Salon bloggers correlate Salon's dismissal of writers and opening of Open Salon and choose consequently.
Click on Sally Swift's name and you'll find the word, "freak."
@ Lonnie Lazar
Here's what I find ridiculous: believing that holding someone "up to ridicule" serves a noble purpose.
Biggie, so the point of your blog - which I cyber rubbed good - is that because Salon isn't paying as many writers we should be shamed into silence on OS until Salon goes back to paying more writers. It still sounds like you trying to silence all of OS.
Long live the bacon!
So, I think I've got this straight. Bacon can not be wrong and stay away from doctors. That's the lesson here?
Ironically, even Francis Bacon - the Father of the Scientific Method - was wary of those who would wrap themselves in the cloak of Authority.
Make mind a plain ol' PB&J, lightly toasted, if you please.
@bigguns - who said anything about being noble?
Make mind a plain ol' PB&J, lightly toasted, if you please.
@bigguns - who said anything about being noble?
STOP FEEDING THE MONSTER!!!!
There are as many posts written about this silly creature as those she posts herself which is exactly what she wants.
She is an arrogant bully with the bedside manner of a drunk who uses OS for sport. Feed her cravings and she stays...ignore her and she goes.
This man is a professional with class who need not buy into her childish taunts. If she really wants a debate I would like to discuss the closet she in.
There are as many posts written about this silly creature as those she posts herself which is exactly what she wants.
She is an arrogant bully with the bedside manner of a drunk who uses OS for sport. Feed her cravings and she stays...ignore her and she goes.
This man is a professional with class who need not buy into her childish taunts. If she really wants a debate I would like to discuss the closet she in.
We've been invited to share our opinions of Dr. Amy. I hope this is not limited to the debate but in general.
I have mixed feelings about Dr. Amy. I've found many of her posts to contain interesting nuggets, and also thought-provoking points. But I don't necessarily read every word, because I find many of them to be really, incredibly long and dense - and I'm a science geek!
Regardless of her technical knowledge, but her people skills leave a great deal to be desired. She is very absolutist and dismissive, particularly in her comments thread. As someone commented somewhere (either here or there, I don't remember), she's not very open-minded. I commented on a recent post about alternative medicine, basically saying that I think people were misinterpreting because she wasn't expressing it well, and that she really only just wanted people not to waste so many billions of dollars on UNPROVEN medical treatments. She agreed with me - rather, the ONLY part of my comment she agreed with was where I said that people would be pissed off if Big Pharma got away with what the "supplements" and "herbal remedy" companies got away with as far as not testing and proving their claims. Not one word saying she agreed that maybe SOME of these treatments might be legitimate if only someone would test them and prove it.
Not to mention the fact that after she posted her invitation on her blog, and people started yelling back at her, she immediately attacked these commenters, basically saying "I know he's not going to do it [the debate]", and "he's afraid of my ability to see right through him", acting just like the blowhard on the playground in elementary school. This was within 30 minutes of her initial post! She should have just posted her challenge and then shut up, until hearing from Dr. Dach.
Basically I guess my opinion is, she sometimes posts on thought-provoking subjects that I like to think about, but I don't necessarily want to hear her opinion about anything, and plan to NEVER read anything in her comments thread again, ever. In her comments thread, she's just a big huge narcissistic gasbag.
I have no opinion on Dr. Dach, because I haven't read much of his stuff. The ones I read appeared to be mostly reportage about a specific topic, but didn't really seem to express any implication or even opinion of the topic being reported on. I like people to tell me what they think I should be doing with what I just read.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I hope the debate happens. I think it could be interesting and enlightening, though probably not for the individuals doing the debating!
I have mixed feelings about Dr. Amy. I've found many of her posts to contain interesting nuggets, and also thought-provoking points. But I don't necessarily read every word, because I find many of them to be really, incredibly long and dense - and I'm a science geek!
Regardless of her technical knowledge, but her people skills leave a great deal to be desired. She is very absolutist and dismissive, particularly in her comments thread. As someone commented somewhere (either here or there, I don't remember), she's not very open-minded. I commented on a recent post about alternative medicine, basically saying that I think people were misinterpreting because she wasn't expressing it well, and that she really only just wanted people not to waste so many billions of dollars on UNPROVEN medical treatments. She agreed with me - rather, the ONLY part of my comment she agreed with was where I said that people would be pissed off if Big Pharma got away with what the "supplements" and "herbal remedy" companies got away with as far as not testing and proving their claims. Not one word saying she agreed that maybe SOME of these treatments might be legitimate if only someone would test them and prove it.
Not to mention the fact that after she posted her invitation on her blog, and people started yelling back at her, she immediately attacked these commenters, basically saying "I know he's not going to do it [the debate]", and "he's afraid of my ability to see right through him", acting just like the blowhard on the playground in elementary school. This was within 30 minutes of her initial post! She should have just posted her challenge and then shut up, until hearing from Dr. Dach.
Basically I guess my opinion is, she sometimes posts on thought-provoking subjects that I like to think about, but I don't necessarily want to hear her opinion about anything, and plan to NEVER read anything in her comments thread again, ever. In her comments thread, she's just a big huge narcissistic gasbag.
I have no opinion on Dr. Dach, because I haven't read much of his stuff. The ones I read appeared to be mostly reportage about a specific topic, but didn't really seem to express any implication or even opinion of the topic being reported on. I like people to tell me what they think I should be doing with what I just read.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I hope the debate happens. I think it could be interesting and enlightening, though probably not for the individuals doing the debating!
Chris Wolak is right up at the top of the running in the best comment about She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ Contest.
I seem to remember Bacon was the father of the scientific method. So where's the beef - or should I say pork?
Curses! Foiled by the man with the Lazar wit again!
Hey Tom . . . Ya know, the smell of cooking bacon is kinda sexy.
The comments below are just a few of Amy's responses on OS showing her complete need for attention at any cost.
"Any blogger here who gets "too much" front page notice or writes about anything controversial is grist for the mill."
Don't worry. You can feel free to write about me. I'm of the school that believes there's no such thing as bad publicity, but most people don't feel the way that I do.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 01, 2008 03:08 PM
Any post that has my name in it just generates more attention for my writing and for me.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 01, 2008 06:37 PM
I've posted many different things to Open Salon. I am often surprised by what gets the most readers, but then I write more posts like that.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 04, 2008 05:10 PM
You can attack me all you want. It drives traffic, and that's my highest priority. I've worked on the Web since it came into existence, more than a decade ago, and if I couldn't tolerate the attacks, I'd have given up long ago.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 07, 2008 10:15 AM
Here's Amy's response on one of her other blogs to a writer challenging the fact that she is not licensed.
"Of course this raises the interesting question: If I don't have a medical license, what, exactly is the Board of Registration supposed to do to me?
I am going to stop reading her posts altogether. Hey, gotta go, I hear reindeer on the roof.
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"Any blogger here who gets "too much" front page notice or writes about anything controversial is grist for the mill."
Don't worry. You can feel free to write about me. I'm of the school that believes there's no such thing as bad publicity, but most people don't feel the way that I do.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 01, 2008 03:08 PM
Any post that has my name in it just generates more attention for my writing and for me.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 01, 2008 06:37 PM
I've posted many different things to Open Salon. I am often surprised by what gets the most readers, but then I write more posts like that.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 04, 2008 05:10 PM
You can attack me all you want. It drives traffic, and that's my highest priority. I've worked on the Web since it came into existence, more than a decade ago, and if I couldn't tolerate the attacks, I'd have given up long ago.
AmyTuteurMD
DECEMBER 07, 2008 10:15 AM
Here's Amy's response on one of her other blogs to a writer challenging the fact that she is not licensed.
"Of course this raises the interesting question: If I don't have a medical license, what, exactly is the Board of Registration supposed to do to me?
I am going to stop reading her posts altogether. Hey, gotta go, I hear reindeer on the roof.
Rated
Debate Call rated.
@ Lonnie Lazar
Nobody said anything about being noble. That was my Christmas wish.
Nobody said anything about being noble. That was my Christmas wish.
Well Bigguns, welcome to OS, guess who's the whipping 'boy' this week? Don't talk too loud or get on the front page, or it might be you ;)
I also have rated "Debate Call."
little hamster, I've been critical of She Who Could Not Be Wrong™ ever since she claimed doctors should not be held responsible for failing to wash their hands between patients and causing infections.
This is no flavor of the week and has nothing to do with the front page. She called another doctor a quack repeatedly and deserves what she gets.
Biggie would like you to be quiet, but I like your squeaks.
This is no flavor of the week and has nothing to do with the front page. She called another doctor a quack repeatedly and deserves what she gets.
Biggie would like you to be quiet, but I like your squeaks.
@ hyblaean
I checked it out and now I'm checking out. Come see me sometime at Salon.
I checked it out and now I'm checking out. Come see me sometime at Salon.
The above is the first recorded flounce in my blog comment threads.
@bigguns, I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't put 'potential' words in my mouth, most especially not pejorative ones pertaining to the posted topic on BBE's blog.
I joined this discussion not to bash but to comment. Which is what I did. I expressed my opinion. I didn't call anyone names. Not even you.
Clearly you were offended by my current post about Michael Jackson on my own blog. You want to call me out on that, please do it there, not here.
I joined this discussion not to bash but to comment. Which is what I did. I expressed my opinion. I didn't call anyone names. Not even you.
Clearly you were offended by my current post about Michael Jackson on my own blog. You want to call me out on that, please do it there, not here.
BBE:
I'm rating your post. I'm making bacon in the morning, coffee cake with BUTTER, chocolate cake in the evening.
I have my own stories about natural medicine vs. western medicine. I'm thankful for the many benefits of Western medicine although I've rarely needed it (knock on wood). My best friends are acupuncturists, herbologists, yoga and pilate instructors and naturopaths. Everyone is damn healthy, but I've been to the funeral of two women who died of breast cancer using "alternative" medicine instead of the more successful mastectomies, chemo and radiation. If I had listened to that neurosurgeon 20 years ago, I would have had countless unnecessary MRI's and panic attacks.
Mind and body...balance...rational thinking...we are our best advocates. I will go rate Dr. Dach's post as well.
Merry merry.
I'm rating your post. I'm making bacon in the morning, coffee cake with BUTTER, chocolate cake in the evening.
I have my own stories about natural medicine vs. western medicine. I'm thankful for the many benefits of Western medicine although I've rarely needed it (knock on wood). My best friends are acupuncturists, herbologists, yoga and pilate instructors and naturopaths. Everyone is damn healthy, but I've been to the funeral of two women who died of breast cancer using "alternative" medicine instead of the more successful mastectomies, chemo and radiation. If I had listened to that neurosurgeon 20 years ago, I would have had countless unnecessary MRI's and panic attacks.
Mind and body...balance...rational thinking...we are our best advocates. I will go rate Dr. Dach's post as well.
Merry merry.
See, okay, now I want bacon .... I love bacon. Bacon and bacon.
Butter, butter, butter...butter is life. You good people need to know Why Butter is Better!
Stellaa: Unfortunately, some of us have IBS with associated digestive issues. Just eating good food isn't enough. We need supplements.
This is really about options. I don't want mine limited by anyone. Unfortunately, we have to be experts in everything--example: all the people that were swindled by Madoff trusted him and never looked any further. Who can you trust? Only yourself, unfortunately. It helps to be smart.
Stellaa: Unfortunately, some of us have IBS with associated digestive issues. Just eating good food isn't enough. We need supplements.
This is really about options. I don't want mine limited by anyone. Unfortunately, we have to be experts in everything--example: all the people that were swindled by Madoff trusted him and never looked any further. Who can you trust? Only yourself, unfortunately. It helps to be smart.
Sorry...my attempt to post an active link appears to have failed. Here's the link...please copy and paste. http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/butter.html
Rated for liveblogging a flounce. By a professional no less! Perhaps that makes it a Phlounce.
whoa. is bigguns, like, the shit over at Salon? how is anyone supposed to "come see" him or her sometime?
i have to admit, i haven't been spending as much time over there as i once did (and i sure do miss reading king kaufman and andrew leonard), but i don't recall bigguns being an especially prolific letter writer or anything.
pretty hair triggered, i'd say, for someone with that handle...
i have to admit, i haven't been spending as much time over there as i once did (and i sure do miss reading king kaufman and andrew leonard), but i don't recall bigguns being an especially prolific letter writer or anything.
pretty hair triggered, i'd say, for someone with that handle...
I have never had an interest in Amy Teuter's posts. I have noticed, from my earliest days on OS, that whatever I read in the NY Times in the morning is often the fodder for her post for the day. I prefer to read about medical issues from sources that are, at least supposed to be, fact checked. There is a level of arrogance that I detected early on that is a real turn-off. I choose to not give her any attention.
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Yeah, I agree with MB. The giving-no-attention thing would probably be best. But then, it's kind of fun to take pokes at a supposed "authority figure" like a doctor. For so many years we've been taught to be intimidated and to feel "less than" they are. Hmph.
The Doctor Who Could Not Be Wrong™ who?
I think a debate would be interesting. If the debate topic is the value of alternative medicine versus conventional medicine, though, it would be good to keep in mind that both of the proposed participants appear to have limited expertise in this area. This is not meant to be an attack on either of the two docs, but rather a caution to the people watching a debate. (What's my standard for being an expert, you may ask? Peer-reviewed publication in an area is good. Having an academic degree and talking a good talk help, but...)
Grif, thanks for posting those other responses of hers.
Just shows how truly selfinvolved and arrogant she is....and we all know arrogance is about a lack of self esteem.
an aside.... on one of her threads, someone asked about which person you'd choose if you had a medical emergency. I would ALWAYS choose the doctor with the open mind about alternatives.
Just shows how truly selfinvolved and arrogant she is....and we all know arrogance is about a lack of self esteem.
an aside.... on one of her threads, someone asked about which person you'd choose if you had a medical emergency. I would ALWAYS choose the doctor with the open mind about alternatives.
She is very concerned with traffic. She has said on her homebirthdebate board that she has software that tracks traffic, etc. and she conforms her posts and writing style to whatever produces the most traffic. For instance, on the homebirth board people have repeatedly stated that she needs to reconsider her posting style as you "attract more flies with honey than with vinegar", but she's always come back with the fact that traffic to her blog actually goes up the more mean and offensive she is. I guess it's the whole "drive slow by a bad accident to get a good look" mentality.
Software to track traffic is easy. sitemeter.com
She's a joke.
She's a joke.
http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=69134
Maybe this is Mr. Dr. Amy
She has more than a few grey-heads that come in, gush all over her posts and then never post a thing of their own.
She's a busy little self-involved bee.
Maybe this is Mr. Dr. Amy
She has more than a few grey-heads that come in, gush all over her posts and then never post a thing of their own.
She's a busy little self-involved bee.
Cool...they actually removed it.
What was the user name? A lot of people for her homebirthdebate board come over here and comment.
It was dorcdoc or dorkdoc, something like that.
"Bacon and chocolate. Bacon and tea. Bacon and deviled eggs. Bacon and toast. Bacon and melon. Bacon and cherries. Bacon and yogurt. Bacon and peanut butter."
Bacon and Spam and bacon cake and Spam, Spam and more Spam.
Bacon and Spam and bacon cake and Spam, Spam and more Spam.
Beer, bacon, mashed potatoes, bacon, cheese, bacon, brownies, bacon . . .
And the list goes on!
And the list goes on!
Liked this one. Nice discussion you got going. Rated.
Dach vs Amy; Gaza vs Israel; Crips vs Bloods. When is it all gonna stop?
In the larger sense, the conflicts won't stop in our lifetime. In the She Who Condones Killing Children™ sense, she lives for page views and being the consummate attention whore she will continue to push the buttons that get her posts in the lists.
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